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Microsoft CEO has more gall (think that's the word) than I do, I think.
 
NochNoch said:
One of the greats.

Ali was the greatest ever and, if I was alive then, I would have rooted against him as hard as I root against the red team.
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His ascension was a perfect storm of numerous variables. He is a really, really good boxer. But there aren't many (if any) all time greats from this era.
 
Scotty's Flat Top said:
Boxing sucks, and that's a shame. It use to be great.
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I know it's a very unpopular opinion these days but, if you ignore what they claim are the elite fights, boxing still has a handful of truly great fights every year. It just means watching ShoBox and HBO Aftet Dark on a random Friday night.
 
Classic dumbass trade by a GM worried about his own ass rather than his team's future. Except even worse than usual because he forgot to figure out that the retread he was trading for was a guy whom his coach would hate. Nothing like trading away a prospect for a guy whom your coach doesn't even want, so he ends up marooned on the 4th line. Stupid.
 
NochNoch said:
One of the greats.

Ali was the greatest ever and, if I was alive then, I would have rooted against him as hard as I root against the red team.
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We might've discussed this before, but all of the stuff we know now about what an ass_hole Ali was, especially to Joe Frazier, did not make its way out into the popular American consciousness. I'm sure the real boxing wiseguys knew about it but as a kid growing up in the 70s I had no idea. It's not like now, where Kobe buttfscks a waitress on Thursday and the whole country is arguing about it on Friday.
 
Vercingetorix said:
We might've discussed this before, but all of the stuff we know now about what an ass_hole Ali was, especially to Joe Frazier, did not make its way out into the popular American consciousness. I'm sure the real boxing wiseguys knew about it but as a kid growing up in the 70s I had no idea. It's not like now, where Kobe buttfscks a waitress on Thursday and the whole country is arguing about it on Friday.
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That's very true, there's a very real possibility I would have never known back then any of what we know now but, in retrospect, the evidence is overwhelming and damning.
 
give me the relatively short answer of what Ali did to Frazier in terms of being an a_hole?

i like watching boxing on tv, but have never been into the past greats, or past/current politics of it. I just enjoy watching it.
 
Boxers, MMA guys are all *******s generally. They just don't have an off switch. Violence is literally their day to day life. Their lines get blurred. Same for football players. Alpha Males with low IQ's.
 
005 said:
give me the relatively short answer of what Ali did to Frazier in terms of being an a_hole?

i like watching boxing on tv, but have never been into the past greats, or past/current politics of it. I just enjoy watching it.
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Ali's whole deal against top opponents was to bait them as much as possible to enrage them, then hold them off while they exhausted themselves in a frenzy, then mop up later in the fight. He was as deliberately inflammatory and personal as possible and, being probably the most charismatic MFer in American sports history, America thought all the crap he said was hilarious and wonderful. He was particularly brutal to Frazier, whom he somehow managed to paint simultaneously as a big stupid gorilla AND an Uncle Tom. Ali couldn't really beat him in the ring -- the only definitive result was the first one, which was a unanimous decision for Frazier -- but instead he basically destroyed Joe Frazier's entire public standing. Frazier was a proud, decent, intelligent man, but somehow Ali, who was at that point himself a dancing prancing preening clown, managed to turn him into a laughingstock. There are a number of documentary-style videos about the Thrilla in Manilla; watch any of them and you'll see how despicable Ali was.

I of course had no idea. I was a little kid and Muhammad Ali was the most famous man in the world and I thought he was great.
 
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