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005 said:
yeah the video disappointed but the redskins are terribad
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You have no idea, unless you are a masochist who for some reason actually watches their games every week even though you aren't a fan. I've been a fan since birth and I can barely force myself to turn the TV on each week.
 
Vercingetorix said:
I'm not really concerned with whether we can fire him next year. But it does bother me a little bit that we're not going to be able to even think about firing him until after Year Five now, and even that would be a stretch. This guy had better be as good as we think he is.
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Or what? We continue to suck as bad as we have for the better part of a decade
 
Imagine we go 7-5 next year, and then in 2016 we backslide to 6-6 and find ourselves in Shreveport. At that point the cliches will be old, the fantastic recruiting will be drying up, and we'll be stuck with a coach with an $8M buyout. I don't mind giving him a raise, but effectively guaranteeing him a six-year tenure seems like a hell of a lot to give up. Maybe it just bothers me more than you Cubs fans because I'm not going to just jump over to a new team if it goes south.
 
if it goes south?

We've already been south. DOOLEY was the ****in bottom. I sat through his dumbass and listened to people reason how it was gonna maybe hopefully one day work when it never had a chance. If I wanted to jump ship I would have the second he opened his dumbass mouth at his introductory press conference.

It can't go anymore south. This ships headed north but you're welcome to join Weezy in bltchville or underscore in grumble grumble oldmanland
 
If I endured lane kiffin (huge fan) disappearing and derek dooley (biggest hater) appearing, I'm pretty much here partner.

A little buyout is the price of doing business.
 
Not to mention Michigan can't find ANY coach. Wisconsin probably won't come across a good one. Florida just hired Jim McElwain. There aren't many good candidates and you being a veteran of coaching searches, you know it likely won't play out well for us anyway.
 
The crack about jumping ship was a joke about yall's Cubs thing, btw. Clearly at this point we're all in it for the long haul.

I just think that guaranteeing him 6+ years is a stretch. If Michigan really was coming after him hard and that's what it took to keep him, then so be it. But if Hart just gave that up without any pressure then it's no better than Hamilton giving Fulmer that raise and extension after 8-5 or whatever it was.
 
I figured so.. But I don't think there's an "if this goes south" option. We aren't high enough for anything to go south.

Also don't think there's any candidates worth a dmn that are coming here.
 
I think the consensus for two years has been that we'll know how good a coach Butch is by 2015 or 2016. "If this goes south" is we get to 2016, and we get our answer, and it isn't good, and then we have to trudge through two more hopeless, funereal years waiting for his buyout to drop low enough that we can afford to try somebody else.

And I don't think it would necessarily be impossible to attract a decent candidate after the way Butch is rebuilding the roster. Maybe there would be a better group of candidates out there then than Florida and Michigan had this year. Although I will grant that I have zero confidence that Hart could make the right hire even if it was out there.
 
TBreazy said:
Not to mention Michigan can't find ANY coach. Wisconsin probably won't come across a good one. Florida just hired Jim McElwain. There aren't many good candidates and you being a veteran of coaching searches, you know it likely won't play out well for us anyway.
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People don't understand how the coaching landscape has changed, it's not what it use to be (or even close for that matter). Think of it this way, arguably the 3 highest profile coaching jobs have come open in the last year; all there is to show for it is Sark, Strong, and Elwain. I'm terrified of another coaching search for our VOLS. Butch is a proven commodity as far as I am concerned. Not crazy about his X's and O's but his recruiting is top shelf. I am glad we did what we had to in order to keep him.
 
Scotty's Flat Top said:
People don't understand how the coaching landscape has changed, it's not what it use to be (or even close for that matter). Think of it this way, arguably the 3 highest profile coaching jobs have come open in the last year; all there is to show for it is Sark, Strong, and Elwain. I'm terrified of another coaching search for our VOLS. Butch is a proven commodity as far as I am concerned. Not crazy about his X's and O's but his recruiting is top shelf. I am glad we did what we had to in order to keep him.
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That's how most coaching searches have always gone. The Saban-to-Alabama hire skewed everybody's expectations. Historically, most hires even by top programs haven't been obvious slam dunks. Saban himself was regarded as an uncertain choice when he came down from MSU. People laughed at Les Miles. Richt was a coordinator. Pete Carroll was an NFL washout. Etc etc etc. The obvious-at-the-time slam dunk hire is a rarity.

As I said, if this is what we had to do to keep him (and obviously we on the outside will never know), then I would have done it too, despite my misgivings. We could not afford for him to leave right now.
 
I can understand your point, but we aren't in a position to fire a coach anytime soon regardless. Stability is our greatest need. I'm just glad he didn't jet to Ann Arbor.
 
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